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I can tell after about two or three weeks you've got to naturally think through it.

You're down to the last layer, Rick. I mean, a lot of people sitting up in your audience now could probably be very good challengers, but they've never tried.

I've watched them filing in, frankly. Some of them can barely walk on their own feet.

I've watched them as well. Some of them are known.

I was surprised to hear that.